I'm Pregnant, and Rotti's getting Aggressive

[Anne]

Originally Posted by hawlmark

You said she would jump and act up, you gave her the command to sit and then pet her. BAD, BAD, BAD. You are telling her what she just did is OK. She did something bad and you rewarded her with affection. Last but not least when she acts out of line be firm and DO NOT YELL. Yelling will only serve to escalate the behavior. Have your husband practice putting the dog on her back and get over the top of her. You can do this when your playing with the dog. This will teach her whos boss. Good Luck.

Nothing wrong with praising or petting the dog for sitting on command. She was being petted for sitting nor for whatever it was that happened prior to that.

Please do not have your husband Alpha roll the dog and get over the top of her unless he is prepared to take a bite to his face. It is not considered to be good training practise and the dog is the one who pays the price.

[hawlmark]

Anne with all due respect... Your wrong. Im not going to argue with you over this but a dog doesnt need to praised for obeying a command. Rolling a dog is as natural to the animal as eating. If someone you know got bit in the face by rolling a dog they are a retard and the dog was smarter than they were.

[MissMary]

Originally Posted by hawlmark

Anne with all due respect... Your wrong. Im not going to argue with you over this but a dog doesnt need to praised for obeying a command. Rolling a dog is as natural to the animal as eating. If someone you know got bit in the face by rolling a dog they are a retard and the dog was smarter than they were.

I think "retard " is kind of harsh. I am thinking your point is they didn't know what they were doing, which is the point - most people would not know how to roll a dog and there for get bit, JMO.

[frontierrots]

OBVIOUSLY Hawlmark you are very very "old school" and have done NO reading on current training knowledge

I seriously suggest you start relearning your training education and lay off the advice til you have compleated it.

Please start with Culture Clash, Fight and Mine all by Jean Donaldson (she has a new text book size one out now too that would be great for serious trainers, it's on my wish list)
Then progress to anything by Ian Dunbar
AND if you want to spend some serious cash there is an OUTSTANDING huge book on Canine aggression on dogwise.com and that one is also on my wish list

[AngelBunny]

When, hawlmark, was the last time you attended a training seminar? Read a recently published book on dog psychology?

I ask because you espouse practices that have long been out of vogue due to advances made in understanding dog psychology.

[Cherry Heart]

Arwen use to get totaly amped up when we would round the corner home from a walk. She'd be pretty good (pulled like an ox) around the neighborhood, sniffing and looking at the sights, but as soon as we rounded the corner she would start bouncing and snapping at the leash, pushing off of me with her paws and doing her "growly" play voice. I was in tears one day. Fed up, didn't want to take her on a walk anymore. By the time we'd get home (no fenced yard at the time) she'd be zooming all over the house. Walks are NOT excersize to her, they are a nice view with some funny smells.

What we finally did (besides get a fenced yard) was as soon as we would get to the corner, my husband would RUN all the way home with her. I am not sure of where you are, or your finances, but if you know a neighbor, or a local teen, could you maybe employ one of them to help you out with jogging or running her a couple times a week untill after your delivery? Then maybe get one of thoes three wheeled joggers for your new baby to go on jogs with you.

NILIF is a wonderfull thing. We use it in our home with a gental hand. She is told to sit in an excited tone, and she is rewarded with an excited "ALL DONE!" to realease her from the command. We bait with treats, she accepts that we are top around her (waiting before being fed, waiting at the door for us to go out first, waiting for her crate door to be all the way open, then we give the release). The first year, she almost went back to the breeder because my husband couldn't take the mental stress she put on us. After we went back to classes, he said he would do it all again. It will get better, and we will help you all we can.

[hawlmark]

Originally Posted by MissMary

I think "retard " is kind of harsh. I am thinking your point is they didn't know what they were doing, which is the point - most people would not know how to roll a dog and there for get bit, JMO.

Your correct. Retard is harsh, and you made my point better than I did. My appologies

[hawlmark]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

OBVIOUSLY Hawlmark you are very very "old school" and have done NO reading on current training knowledge

I seriously suggest you start relearning your training education and lay off the advice til you have compleated it.

Please start with Culture Clash, Fight and Mine all by Jean Donaldson (she has a new text book size one out now too that would be great for serious trainers, it's on my wish list)
Then progress to anything by Ian Dunbar
AND if you want to spend some serious cash there is an OUTSTANDING huge book on Canine aggression on dogwise.com and that one is also on my wish list

Your right and wrong. I am old school, but you say that like its a disease or something. I have read some books on current training methods and quite simply dont agree. That doesnt mean my opinion is the last word on anything anymore than yours is. I will continue to offer my opinion and the reader can decide which advice to follow. Thanks for the info on Dogwise.com, I will take a look.

[hawlmark]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

When, hawlmark, was the last time you attended a training seminar? Read a recently published book on dog psychology?

I ask because you espouse practices that have long been out of vogue due to advances made in understanding dog psychology.

Angel, I keep up with the latest. I, unlike so many others dont believe just because "a book" says so, its the best way to do things. I am very interested in learning new things as most people are. In my opinion (this is still the USA) the best way to approach behavioral problems is to mimick what is done in the wild. Agree or disagree, thats your choice but it doesnt make your opinion any more valid than mine. As you have probably figured out by now I am not interested in what is in or out of vouge.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by hawlmark

...I am not interested in what is in or out of vouge.

Which can be a pity because old methods are often replaced by new ones when thinking advances. Old methods are comfortable and reassuring because they're familiar--alpha rolls come to mind--but one shouldn't be reluctant to change one's methods when they're clearly discredited--and thus, out of vogue.

[hawlmark]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

Which can be a pity because old methods are often replaced by new ones when thinking advances. Old methods are comfortable and reassuring because they're familiar--alpha rolls come to mind--but one shouldn't be reluctant to change one's methods when they're clearly discredited--and thus, out of vogue.

I agree with everything you just said right up to the point where you say they"re clearly discredited. We will just agree to disagee. Nothing personal

[RottyMom]

Originally Posted by hawlmark

Angel, I keep up with the latest. I, unlike so many others dont believe just because "a book" says so, its the best way to do things. I am very interested in learning new things as most people are. In my opinion (this is still the USA) the best way to approach behavioral problems is to mimick what is done in the wild. Agree or disagree, thats your choice but it doesnt make your opinion any more valid than mine. As you have probably figured out by now I am not interested in what is in or out of vouge.

Well then I suggest you use these methods on wild animals ...now seriously...the dogs we are talking about are man bred, domesticated animals and although they may share some behaviours with their wild cousins the differences far outweigh the similarities.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by hawlmark

Anne with all due respect... Your wrong. Im not going to argue with you over this but a dog doesnt need to praised for obeying a command. Rolling a dog is as natural to the animal as eating. If someone you know got bit in the face by rolling a dog they are a retard and the dog was smarter than they were.

Rude much? You may like to do some study on how animals in the wild react. The Alpha does not roll a subordinate, the subordinate rolls of its own accord in a gesture of submission.

I would never advise anyone to Alpha roll a strong young dog. Particularly someone who has done little to no training with their dog.

[hawlmark]

Originally Posted by Anne

Rude much? You may like to do some study on how animals in the wild react. The Alpha does not roll a subordinate, the subordinate rolls of its own accord in a gesture of submission.

I would never advise anyone to Alpha roll a strong young dog. Particularly someone who has done little to no training with their dog.

Then dont advise them. This all started when I gave some advise to a person asking for it. Because you and your friends disagree with my advice You get rude with comments back to me, I defend my position and Im the rude one. For 40yrs my methods have worked for me and friends who come to me for help. Have mistakes been made? Of course, thats how we learn. Ive never hurt a dog or been bit doing things my way. You would call that luck, I dont. By the way, I do enjoy watching TV but I learned my methods long before anyone knew who Ceasar was.

[observer]

Taking some care with how you come across, especially on the Internet where the nuances of face to face conversation are lost, would be of great benefit. That, and spending enough time reading here to recognize those people who have every bit as much experience as you do, (and dare I say, perhaps even more) and not cast aside what they say about bitch fights or other topics as totally wrong because it doesn't coincide with your theory that it's all about the owner being alpha.

Even you might learn some things here, if you let it happen. And, people could learn from you too.... but, you showed up here full of attitude, so people will tune you out, fast.