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Old 01-06-2006, 02:40 PM
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Re: aggression

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Rescue is NOT going to adopt out an aggressive dog. They will either refuse the dog or put it to sleep themselves.
Bingo, and thank you....
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:51 PM
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Re: aggression

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Unless you know this for a fact and can provide contact info for these groups, you shouldn't be saying this.

For a fact, my rescue group wouldn't touch the dog.
I second that.
tangelo53, Unless you really know of any group (which I doubt very much) that would take this dog it is very unfair to give the OP hope that there is a better future for this dog.
My rescue wouldn't touch the dog either. The only exception would be once, nicely, before sending it off to sleep forever.
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Old 01-06-2006, 03:12 PM
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Re: aggression

Agree also. Rescue groups that take nasty dogs and put them down list those dogs deaths as social responsibility cases, to identify and separate them from other cases.

ANY group that adopts out a dogwith a bite/aggression history is asking for a lawsuit in their future. Also if they are a 501 c 3 group I don't think they can. My friend recently had her Foxhound rescue become a 501c3 and her paperwork specifically asked if she took in or adopted out aggressive dogs or dogs with bite histories
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Old 01-06-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: aggression

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I agree 1000000000% with gretchen..( Dogs can be replaced, children can not)I too have a young child. And let me tell you if that behaviour was at my house, the dog would have been gone long before. No way will i stand for an unstable dog around my child. Your child should not be living in constant fear of being bitten for any movement. Not fair for the child, and extremely dangerous.
I would think about what you are putting this child through. What would you do if your child became a statistic. You would never be able to live with yourself.
Do what is right by your child.......

In addition, put a little thought into how a child must feel about a mother who allows him to be in very real danger and constantly terrorized by a dog!
That'll be a couch discussion in 20 years... possibly along with severe scarring, loss of limbs, eyes, face.... if he would survive an attack from a large dog.
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Old 01-06-2006, 10:34 PM
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Re: aggression

I appreciate everyone help but the big picture is being miss here how can i have a new trianer come in and look at her when i will be putting him or her into danger. she doesn't have control cause when she do something wrong she is put out of the house and a command is given she understand when she is in the wrong cause she tries to make up with you. i should have made it clear that my son is a teenager i have two other teenagers and she gets physical with thenm sometimes my older son girlfriend comes over and she is fine with her no i don't want to put her down so what if i get her train then she goes and bite someone then what do i do . no the vet sometimes don't know what they are talking about but if i can't take her for a minor check up what do i do if she gets really sick. yes she could be sick we attempted to run some test on her but we can't even give her a shot without her wanting to attack. we put a muzzle on her she knock that off in a matter of seconds we have look into rescue and we come up against the same problem her aggression . we have about 7 rottweiler on my street and no one seems to have the same problem that i am having i don't think she should have to suffer cause i don't want to put her down she could be sick and i don't even know it some days she looks so sad.
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Old 01-06-2006, 11:03 PM
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Re: aggression

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I appreciate everyone help but the big picture is being miss here how can i have a new trianer come in and look at her when i will be putting him or her into danger. she doesn't have control cause when she do something wrong
You can't have a trainer come in and look at her. Not if you can not control her, not if you have an ounce of decency against another human being, and not if you do not want to get sued for everything you own.

It sounds like you've hit the point of no return with this dog. You have NO control over her. I don't see what options you have when you have NO control over a dog. I don't know how you fix any problem with a dog that you have NO control over. I can't even imagine living with a dog like that - how do you correct the dog for doing something wrong? How do you train it? How do you set boundaries and limitations? If you have NO control, I don't see how anything is possible.

I am surprised you are not living in fear of the dog yourself. I would be concerned for your saftey if what you say about having no control over the dog is true.
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:30 AM
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Re: aggression

If I may say from what I have read here put the dog down NOW it is confused, unpredictable and dangerous probably due to mistakes made in raising, however if I read right and she is 2 yo or so no amount of training will ever make this dog trustworthy in a family situation, it fully believes control and descision making is its RIGHT even when you as it's owner are there and that is completely wrong.
"Lesson 11 - -When your dogs comes up uninvited for a pat---TELL him no or out whatever your chosen command. And call HIM up 5 seconds later for a pat, YOU dictate the pat and love not him. However for this to be effective you need to be aware of what is happening with your dog. You are not rejecting him, simply maintaining control, at times it may be correct to pat him immediately"
The above is part of an article on training I wrote, I think part of your problems are rooted here.
Sorry to be so harsh but destroy the dog unless you can find someone in the security Industry that wants her but I doubt it security personnel generally require stability and it does not appear your girl has that.
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Old 01-07-2006, 08:02 AM
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Re: aggression

thanks for the input my rottweiller wil be put down on monday. i will not be getting another dog . I couldn't get her to nobody cause i won't want anything to happen to them or her for that matter. it may sound harsh but this is the best solution from talking to people and the way she acts sometimes i don't fear for myself but yes she could eventually turn on me and im the only one that can handle her when she is in attack mode.
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Old 01-07-2006, 08:15 AM
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Re: aggression

Gucci-
I'm terribly sorry for your situation. You are making the right decision though. Thank you.

Thank you for not giving this dog to someone else or to a rescue league and making them do the dirty work.

Her aggression could have been for many reasons, but that doesn’t matter. She will be at peace soon.

BTW, we are neighbors. My son played football in Woodbridge. The team had a lot of Rottweilers on the sidelines for a while.

So thank you again, our county doesnt need anymore reason to ban this wonderful breed.
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Old 01-07-2006, 08:28 AM
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ElsasFamily,
thanks for the email, my son still plays football. I hope that noone has to ever go though this or have their dog do this to them. my rottweller was never on the sideline. she would want to go and play with them.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:24 AM
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Re: aggression

i agree bostonrott but what i think were all looking for is some truth to this story how old is the pup has it had proper training or was left in the yard to train it self i agree if the animal is not happy then put it to sleep but we all are here for help or to be helped not to place a thread of such sadness and never say another word thats why im upset
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:31 AM
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Re: aggression

sorry for my last post bostonrott i never read all post before i wrote my post butt i will say that pup never got a fare chance
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Old 01-09-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: aggression

Gretchen, you are spot on as usual. I'm not sure why people think you can "100%" train out this type of behavior. Anything less than 100% is not acceptable and of course it is not possible. I've learned over the years that if people are that terrified of a dog that they've had since it was 10 weeks old there usually is good reason. Most people don't wake up one morning with one incident and come to the board and post that they need to put their dog down. When you talk about this kind of aggression it is almost always linked to genetics and try as you may you can no more change genetic temperament problems than you can change my brown eyes to blue. Now they can go from brown to blue with contact lenses but that is covering up and that is exactly what you do when you try all these suggested methods of TTouch, Dog Whisper, Behavior Specialist, etc. Medicating a dog that has aggression issues is very dangerous, it usually lowers the dog's inhibitions and they dog is quicker to bite, ask me how I know. It was with a heavy heart that I learned they cannot all be saved.

It is obsured to think that rescue should take a dog like this, if you think this type of dog is a good candidate for rescue I suggest you take the dog. I always make that suggestion to those people who say Oh, please don't put this dog down. Perfect you come and take this dog and you must keep him, he is not to be adopted out. So are you interested in adopting this dog?

To the OP please tell us more about the parents and how you came about this breeder. Also, what type of training was provided for this dog and the living conditions of the dog.
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Old 01-09-2006, 09:27 PM
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Re: aggression

Does it kinda sound like it started with the vet? I also agree, if there is any agression towards a kid, then the dog has to go.. I know it was hard for you, but you did the right thing.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:59 PM
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Re: aggression

You've absolutely done the right thing. And, to be honest, nobody is ever going to know why or how your dog developed this behaviour. But once it appears, it has to be dealt with. And I think there are very few of us here that are qualified to deal with aggressive dogs.....and I am not ashamed to admit I would be one of those unprepared types!!!! And it would not be for lack of time, love or money....I would just always have the fear that the dog was not "quite right" and someday something terrible would occur.

I have made many mistakes raising my dog....luckily he did not take total advantage of those mistakes....and by continual training and researching the breed and especially reading the forums, I have tried to improve the way he is being handled. But if, for any reason, he were to develop the behaviours your dog has exhibited, I think I would have to put him to sleep. And that would be one of the hardest decisions I would ever have to make.

But an aggressive rott is not like an aggressive pug.....and you have children in your home as I do...and my kids have their friends over all the time. And accidents can happen so quickly.

I think its so hard in these situations because no matter what you will always partially blame yourself (and, like I said earlier, not all of us are perfect in the raising dog category), but by not prolonging this action, you are, in my opinion, making the right decision for your family and for the dog. Because reading some of the threads about problem dogs, they do not get easier as they get older......even those way way way more experienced than I will ever be admit that working with problem dogs may not be worth the grief in the end.

What you are doing takes a lot of courage and a lot of love.
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