Cowering rotti

[rlogle]

I have just added a new addition to our family, a 12 week old male Rotti. He is very easily trained, still has accidents in the floor at times, but other than those few times usually at night no problem in house breaking. I have never hit my new "child" but when I approach him he cowers down as if I am going to hit him, or as if he is scared of me. I usually try to approach him and get down on one knee and call him by name and act very happy toward him. What am I doing wrong? How can I stop him from this "cowering" down? Thanks for any advice since this is my first Rotti.

[AngelBunny]

What is his background? Where did you get him? He could be insecure, since he just joined your household. Being gentle, positive, friendly, and moving slowly around him will certainly help him adjust.

[German Vanegas]

It could be genetics at work, in this case the offspring of this breeding seems to have a extremely soft temperament and submissive behavior, which it may be corrected somewhat by never abusing or mistreating the puppy and do the total opposite: try your puppy with the old Tender Loving Care formula. Make your puppy's experiences very, very pleasant and use a positive training method based on the proper motivation and expected rewards. Patience and patience, and then some, is absolutely vital http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/wink.gif

Now, there is also the very strong possibility that the breeder badly abused the poor puppy and now the puppy fears humans due to those early unpleasant experiences. I mean, please, think of a puppy as a human infant. FRAGILE. Do you know anything about the breeder's background and reputation?... Let us know.

I also advise you to buy an inexpensive book, that I consider the handbook to properly raise a Rottweiler, titled: "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Rottweilers" by George Beuchamp published by Alpha Books (Don't be offended by the title, it is truly a great book http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif)

[This message has been edited by German Vanegas (edited February 12, 2000).]

[rlogle]

I think the answer to my question lyes with the bredder. On my way to the store tonight I stopped by his house to ask him some more questions about Sarge, the Rotti I purchased from him for $850.00. When I pulled into his driveway my headlights hit him as he was "whipping" the dad to my Rotti. Angered I questioned him about it and he told me that this is the only way to train a Rottweiler. I asked him if he had began "training" the pup I had bought from him....And, yes he had. He offered words of advice as to how to "break the animal" and "how to house train "it" by rubbing it's nose in it's mess and beating it and throwing it outside." I drove home numb. How cold and cruel can we human beings be? As a Nurse I am trained to deal with all different types of people and to not allow things to get to me personally. Trained to talk to individuals to find out what is the underlying cause for anger, hatred and abuse. I lost all sense of ethics and/or morals and became one disgusted man standing beside on disgusting man. I told this piece of crap what I thought of him and with much restraint I did not take the belt from him and whip him to the breaking point. When I got here to the house Sarge was lying in the living room floor and he lookied up at me as I entered the room and then put his head back down, I picked him up, held him very close and weeped. I am a 31 y/o man who doesn't cry very often but I was heart broke over the abuse that my Sarge has probably endured. German thank you for your reply. And let's keep all abused children, human or otherwise, close in our thoughts.

[German Vanegas]

That piece of @#$% that calls himself a "breeder" is nothing but a complete imbecil, totally ignorant of the breed! that know nothing about positive dog rearing and training! I mean, this &*@# for brains person is one of the reasons why the great Rottweiler is going down the sewer, literally, here in the USA. Yeah, the land of freedom to mate dogs at will and mess them up! ARGH! I am raving mad... that "breeder" is lucky that I am not close enough to give him a taste of his own medicine!

You are a good man, take good care of your beautiful puppy. Love him a lot, he needs lots of love, lots of loving care. Do the best you can do, please. We are here to help. Don't feel bad about crying, I myself had a hard time holding them back!

[This message has been edited by German Vanegas (edited February 12, 2000).]

[ebony]

Isn't there someone or some organization that this breeder could be reported to. To try and stop him from breeding or owning any other dogs.

[Robert Bravo]

I have a sugestion but it my not be possible for you to do. But it is a sugestion.

Due to the Fact that we know thie complete baffon that calls himself a breeder has no clue what he is talking about. How about trying to give the puppy back and get your money back. Then purchase a puppy from someone who is actually doing things right.

The only reason i mention this is becuase, by buying his puppy it keeps him in business. If no one buys his puppies he would eventually have to stop breeding due to the fact that he isnt maken any money at it.

The only way to stop these moorons is to put them out of business. But considering he is a complete bafoon he may not return your money.

Did he give you a contract? Did he make any temperment garauntees? Whats his policy on returns? If there is any sort of temperment garuantees then you have some grounds to stand on due to the fact that the pup has a problem.

You see this is a early age for pup to have been abused. Even with love and kindness there is a chance that he could never fully recover from it. Oh he will recover but maybe never to his full potential that he could have been if he wasnt abused.

Just a sugestion. Now even if he didnt give you a contract you may have some legal grounds to stand on. If he is in "Business breeding most states require a higher standered from them. Now some states consider a breeder someone who has bred at least 2 times in the past year or two.

Now a person who has one litter and never had one before wouldnt be considered a breeder and wouldnt be held to the same standereds. Each state is a little diferent on how many litters they would have had to have to be considered a Breeder.

Now if he is considered a breeder you have grounds for a refund becuase the dog has a temperment flaw due to his actions. I AM SURE it wouldnt be hard to get some profesional to stand in civil court and give his opinion on how this pup you have has a problem. Shoot id go.

Just a idea

[rottiholt]

I agree Robert BUT just look at the home the
pup would be sent back to?
Man I could go on & on & on about the people
I know around here that call thereselfs "breeders" & run COSTLY adds & web~sites but
treat their dogs like crap when no one is around cuz "THIS IS HOW YOU TRAIN A ROTT!"
HOW CAN WE STOP IT!? They NEED to be run out
of business BUT the puppys will suffer a great deal in the process!
ANY IDEAS ANYONE!????
With SUEING being the #1 Job for MANY people
& with the law on the side of the criminal it
feels impossible to tackel someone like this!

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[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by Robert Bravo:
... The only way to stop these moorons is to put them out of business. But considering he is a complete bafoon he may not return your money.

... Did he give you a contract? Did he make any temperment garauntees? Whats his policy on returns? If there is any sort of temperment garuantees then you have some grounds to stand on due to the fact that the pup has a problem.

... Now if he is considered a breeder you have grounds for a refund becuase the dog has a temperment flaw due to his actions. I AM SURE it wouldnt be hard to get some profesional to stand in civil court and give his opinion on how this pup you have has a problem. Shoot id go.

1. Sadly enough, those morons won't stop at all until there is some sort of unified legislation or governing body imposing some serious policies, rules, and effective enforceable controls on dog breeding and litter registrations.

2. Imagine, a so-called "breeder" beating up his stud dog... do you really think would offer a binding contract? A temperament guarantee? Come on Robert, be serious. That guy is a disgusting character.

3. Civil court on what grounds?... Maybe a small claims court or a justice of the peace will listen to a complain filed.

I believe that a man like "rlogle" that cried his heart out embracing that poor puppy, hardly would have the guts to take it back to the "master-torturer" again!

rlogle,
If you can't take it back, you can always do your best to correct the damage (we really don't know the extent of it). Although there is no guarantee, the old formula "Tender Loving Care" does miracles. Maybe it was meant for you to save that puppy and build his confidence up . . . it may well be a happy ending story after all! Don't despair, you can do a lot out of your good heart if you get properly informed as to how to positively rear that puppy. Get the book I suggested to you..

UNETHICAL BREEDING AND IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP ARE DESTROYING THE GREAT ROTTWEILER!

[Hope]

I have a better suggestion for that piece of filth. Pick up the phone and call the humane society! Inform them of this man's "training techniques" and keep on them until they make a house call! I agree that this puppy should not be taken back to such an environment, but this man must be stopped! If you have witnessed such abuse, make it known to the authorities and don't give up until you get some satisfaction. I have done this in my community and while some people get sick of me for how I look after the neighborhood's animal population, at least I know that dog's lives are a little bit better. My next door neighbor's choc lab got out so many times, I almost ran him over myself. So, one day, I just took him over to the local humane society, informed them of the situation, and the neighbor had to pay $250 just to get his dog out. Suddenly, the dog doesn't get out anymore. Sometimes offering up a little bit of such medicine can go a long way. The humane society may groan about it a little, but try something to make them understand what is going on at this guy's house.

[SarasMom]

rlogle,
I just realized, you are the same one who wondered about the pup drinking all the water. After reading this, I wonder, could the breeder have damaged your pup's kidneys by beating him? http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/mad.gif

Take your pup to a vet and find out if this is a possiblity. If so, you might be able to have criminal charges brought against the creep.

Poor, Poor, Sarge. My heart breaks for him.

[This message has been edited by SarasMom (edited February 13, 2000).]

[MVARTANIANM]

Please don't take the puppy back, Robert Bravo is right about alot of things, but I think he is dead wrong on this, how many others have already bought from this a**hole and how many in the future will also? It just isn't going to stop just because you take your puppy back to probably be beaten because now the pup is causing problems.

All of my animals have been abused, I have a male who had not one, but two puppy collars in his neck that had to be surgically removed, he had mange, had a broken rib and was so scared of people he screamed and peed and shook while trying to sink into the floor. My female had her tail and ears cut by what we think was a pair of scissors, and never tended too and were infected almost to the point of her having to be put down.My little male, we found out from the injuries, seemed to have been badly kicked.And these are just a handful of those who have passed through my door.

I don't usually tell the history of my animals, thats not what I am here for, but I thought it would help if you knew that I have helped everyone of them overcome, with time, understanding, praise and absoulute pure trust and love what wonderful and beautiful and magnificent and proud creatures they are- and not once have I ever had a moment that I would have considered "giving them back". They are are well adjusted, I don't walk on egghells around them and very infrequently do I think they actually have an issue that stemmed from young abuse. Just my two cents, you will make a world of difference in this little guy's heart and head and don't think he won't
know once he trusts again.

[rottie_mama]

Poor, poor Sarge. I definitely would not take him back to the breeder. I know the suggestion sounds good to the head, but its goes completely against what one's heart would say. Just be loving and patient with this baby. And tell everyone who will listen what a slime of a human being this 'breeder' is.

Rachel

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Rachel aka rottie_mama
rotts.bizland.com

[Robert Bravo]

Guys i apolagize. I never gave it thought about the puppy going back to this guy. You are all right. Sorry made a bad call. Shoot what was i thinking. Bad idea.

Anyway German the only reason i assume there must have been a contract signed was the fact that they paid $850.00 for the dog. Who in there right mind would pay close to a thousand dollars for anything and not get a contract? I dont mean this to be a Insult to the owners of this pup at all. please dont take it that way. But thats alot of money for a dog without some sort of contract.

[rlogle]

I do have a contract, which I have torn up. Sarge is MINE, and will never suffer like he has been made to suffer in the past. I came home tonight and Sarge had pooped four big piles on the carpet. I cleaned them, and picked Sarge up and hugged him. God, what would have happened if he had of been with the people he was born with? I was offered a "refund" from the "breeder". Not on my life would I give him back to those monsters. All thought's with Sarge and all the abused children.