Protecting or Correcting?

[Urika]

Diesel occasionally plays with a nine month old Lab. Well, she likes to jump on people. And the owner doesn't correct her like he should.

Diesel knows that he IS NOT allowed to jump on people. So, when the lab jumps on me and only me Diesel will knock her down and whisper something in her ear in dog. LOL If she jumps on her owner Diesel doesn't do anything to her.

Does he think he's protecting me or just correcting the Lab?

[Lorrie]

He is correcting her .. but not in the way you think.

His issues with her jumping up on you are based on pack structure and dominence .. not in any concept of rudeness.

This is a good post for additional insight - see Mick's explaination. . (I'm short on time .. it's almost the weekend)

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/sho...hlight=jealous

[Urika]

Thank you! That was a very informative thread you linked me to. The only thing different is that Diesel doesn't have a problem with my playing with or petting the lab even if she approches me first. He just doesn't like her to jump for some reason.

[Judi W]

I would suspect that when the Lab jumps on you, you express some form of objection, whether verbal, body language or whatever. Your dog is simply saying "oh, yeah, let's get her" and yes, that is pack.

[Urika]

Originally Posted by Judi W

I would suspect that when the Lab jumps on you, you express some form of objection, whether verbal, body language or whatever. Your dog is simply saying "oh, yeah, let's get her" and yes, that is pack.

That must be what triggers his behavior. I tell her no very firmly, and I may have to say no a few times.

[HerculesMomma]

Interesting post Urika! I have the exact same situation and wondered about it from time to time myself. My cousins dog, scrappy, is 1 yr. old and completely untrained. Scrappy, jumps, licks and nips all at once and my cousin has done little to stop it. But I found it horribly annoying and give the "off" command every chance I get as the owners at least allow that.

Hercules makes sure she stops. He playfully grabs her back legs etc. so she must focus her attention on him and not me. He never does it if the other dogs are simply looking for attention, just to little ole scrappy if she's jumping on me!

I never thought of it as a potential dominance issue, but glad Judi W replied it really is more of a pack thing than a dominance thing.

[Judi W]

What happens is that the dog says "oh, a dispute"............ "I'm going to make sure I'm on the winning team and that it my leader's team".......... "yea team"

[HerculesMomma]

Originally Posted by Judi W

What happens is that the dog says "oh, a dispute"............ "I'm going to make sure I'm on the winning team and that it my leader's team".......... "yea team"

So we have busy body dogs! How come I am not surprised by my big loaf having to get into the mix of it all??

Would such a thing demonstrate an inclination towards a specific form of training or anything? Or just that they need something more stimulating to do with their time then to get into other people business?

[Judi W]

They are busying themselves with what they see as their pack's business. What I found when I was going to have to deal with someone's dog at training is that I would make sure I told my own dog (often in a long down) that I was not going to need any help before I took any action. They rarely interfer within their own household pack, this is "us agin them" ............... Often the most laid back dog will want to participate in a little scrap if they think it is a group effort.

[MontanaRott]

We call it the "third man in" syndrome around here. We will have a correction, whether being given by us or by our old bitch and someone will dart in for a cheap shot. So we have to keep an eye out for that "third man in" while giving a correction or stop them if Whit is putting someone in their place. They may want to end up on the winning team, but what they end up doing is getting themselves a down instead.

[rottnkidd]

Not that this has much to do with the 'real' topic, but I always find it a bit amusing every time I 'correct' the cat, (Is that even possible??) Diva is on the scene in a heartbeat. I don't know if she's rejoicing that something other then herself is catching heck from me, or she thinks I need assistance! The second she hears my volume has 'elevated' she's right there to check out the problem and push her weight around. Poor kitty.
kathy

[HerculesMomma]

Originally Posted by rottnkidd

Not that this has much to do with the 'real' topic, but I always find it a bit amusing every time I 'correct' the cat, (Is that even possible??) Diva is on the scene in a heartbeat. I don't know if she's rejoicing that something other then herself is catching heck from me, or she thinks I need assistance! The second she hears my volume has 'elevated' she's right there to check out the problem and push her weight around. Poor kitty.
kathy

Sounds like the same thing to me! Just with a tiny furry animal instead of a big furry one!

I admit, I do find it amusing though. But if both were my dogs and Herc was trying to interfere while I was teaching the other one, I would get aggrivated with that real quick! It seems to only serve to distract the other dog, which I obviously wouldn't want happening while I was trying to teach the dog something.

But kitty's are a different story!

[Urika]

Originally Posted by HerculesMomma

My cousins dog, scrappy, is 1 yr. old and completely untrained. Scrappy, jumps, licks and nips all at once and my cousin has done little to stop it. But I found it horribly annoying and give the "off" command every chance I get as the owners at least allow that.

Scrappy sounds like the lab. She nips too. I find jumping very annoying as well UGH! The owner of the lab likes and allows her to jump. To be honest with you, I don't think this lab even knows how to sit on command. It's sad to me when a dog owner doesn't invest the time to teach their pet the simplest of commands.