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Old 09-20-2003, 02:43 PM
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*Pulls out hair*lol

Ok I've seen puppies teeth from 3 months till 7 so mine will be 12 weeks the 28 and his chewing on me really starting to hurt and become a lil annoying but I can kinda understand although what I find odd is he will only do this to me like grabbing my pants,shoes socks,ankles when I pull him away he kinda growls and I give him toys yet he seems to think my leg etc is better lol what could be the reason if any is he doing this to just me? everything I try like saying no scruff toy just seems to tick him off and he does it more lol so any help THANK YOU:D
 
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Old 09-20-2003, 04:29 PM
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This is not popular advice on this board but roll up a section of newpaper (not thickly) and first slap it on the palm of your other hand. If this doesn't work, thump him on the nose with the paper. In a couple of days he will stop biting the minute you pick up the newspaper. He doesn't like the newspaper anymore than you like being bit. I was having the same problem and he was actually drawing blood but the paper put a stop to that in a hurry.
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Old 09-20-2003, 04:50 PM
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Like I tried all I can thank of after I do get him to stop he looks at like my foot and just barks at it most the time the slappin the hand with newspaper worked a few times now that doesnt seem to work much but like every other time
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Old 09-20-2003, 05:49 PM
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no hitting

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This is not popular advice on this board but roll up a section of newpaper (not thickly) and first slap it on the palm of your other hand. If this doesn't work, thump him on the nose with the paper. In a couple of days he will stop biting the minute you pick up the newspaper. He doesn't like the newspaper anymore than you like being bit. I was having the same problem and he was actually drawing blood but the paper put a stop to that in a hurry.
Rottierule;
Please do NOT listen to the above advise.
This same person has sent away his puppy for training, as has he sent away all his previous dogs. This is not how dogs learn.

When your pup is biting you must give a sharp scream or yelp, put a toy in your pups mouth and ignore him. He wants your attention. You must redirect him.

You must be consistent, with this....not let him mouth and chew on you one day and not the next.
How much exercise is your pup getting?
Please read some of the past threads....there has been alot written about puppies biting.

No newspaper hitting, no hitting what so ever.

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Old 09-20-2003, 06:00 PM
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Well he goes out for bout a hour each day to run etc

I have been doing the toy thing since it started and he will just drop the toy the No and yelpin he just goes on like he doesnt hear me and when I do get him to stop he will lay and growl or like if he has my pant leg or foot bark at it then go after it again kinda like my feet have ticked him off lol
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Old 09-20-2003, 06:39 PM
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In addition to what brunie's mom said (all of which I agree with, including ignoring advice to hit your puppy, especially in the face - do not ever hit a puppy in the face, with anything), it's very important that, after you do the yelp-and-redirect thing, you must IGNORE your puppy COMPLETELY for 20-30 seconds, look up in the air, he does not exist - if he keeps harrassing you, turn your back on him and fold your arms. If this doesn't work, assuming you're in a puppy-proofed room, do the yelp and then carry on as if the puppy has bitten your leg off, storm out of the room and close the door. Stay out for 30 seconds or so and then return.

A couple of other points - if you are playing with your puppy with your hands (face grabbing, hand crawling on the floor, etc), you must stop immediately - this can make the puppy think your hands are toys. If he's growling at your pants, redirect him to a toy. You must be 100% consistent with this (and when you yelp, make it as loud and high pitched as you can - your aim is to sound like a puppy in pain - many people think they're yelping loudly enough and they really aren't). Also keep your play as calm as possible, excited puppies are bity puppies. I also feel that puppies need to play with other puppies to help develop their bite inhibition, if you're not enrolled in a puppy play group or puppy kindergarten which allows socializing, I suggest you do so right away. Also, make sure the puppy has enough inviting chew toys (stuffed toys like Kongs are very good - put treats inside).

Good luck. :)
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Old 09-21-2003, 01:41 AM
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Would it help to know that my Zeta grew outta that at about 15 months? She does know my pain threasholdand about how much of it I'll take when we do play like that - which is pretty rare now that she's 7 years old.

As a pup you couldnt touch her without getting slimmed and needled. My hands were numb many times. It was playful. and Yeah, say ouch when it does hurt and make him back off a bit.

I trusted Zeta not to break skin and she never has.
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Old 09-21-2003, 02:03 AM
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I don't like to be bitten so I don't allow it.
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Old 09-21-2003, 07:32 AM
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Here's a search on puppy biting, lots of threads:

http://rottweiler.net/forums/search....der=descending

Hitting your puppy for doing what is completely normal puppy behaviour is terrible advice.
Spidey gave great advice - the ignoring thing works but your pup is very young, you have to be PATIENT and consistent. Also, start training him - take classes, start working on commands and little training sessions as you go about your day with him. A puppy who is learning and bonding with you through learning will become overall more responsive and well behaved.

Good luck! Sounds like you have a perfectly normal puppy. :)
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Old 09-21-2003, 10:28 AM
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Re: no hitting

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Rottierule;
Please do NOT listen to the above advise.
This same person has sent away his puppy for training, as has he sent away all his previous dogs. This is not how dogs learn.

When your pup is biting you must give a sharp scream or yelp, put a toy in your pups mouth and ignore him. He wants your attention. You must redirect him.

You must be consistent, with this....not let him mouth and chew on you one day and not the next.
How much exercise is your pup getting?
Please read some of the past threads....there has been alot written about puppies biting.

No newspaper hitting, no hitting what so ever.

Gina
As far as I know there is no requirement that anyone follow my advice or for that matter the advice of anyone else on this board..I simply told him how to get the puppy to stop biting. Also, as far as sending the dog to training, I did that and don't see anything wrong with turning to dog over to a professional. This doesn't guarantee a push button dog but it does get him taught the basics. When he returns home I will have to keep up the training so he doesn't forget what he has learned. I assure you that the place where I sent him is far more qualified than I to train him. Probably more qualified than you for that matter. They do this 7 days a week with hundreds of dogs of all varieties and with a good success ratio. When my house needs painting, I call a painter, when something goes wrong with the plumbing I call a plumber, and when the dog needs training I have a pro teach him the basics.
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Old 09-21-2003, 10:36 AM
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If you don't know how to train your own dog how can you recommend to someone else hitting their dog to train it? You admit in the above post that you can't train your dog thus you send it out to "professionals". Yet you come here and recommend hitting a dog to train it. Do these "professionals" hit your dog to train it? Do they recommend hitting a dog to train it?

In another thread you posted this:
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Private or group it all depends a lot on the trainer. I sent my oldest Dobie to a kennel for 3 months to be trained at a cost of $400. a month and when he got back he knew less than when he left. A few years back I sent a Golden Retriever to school for 3 months and had pretty much the same result. In thinking about it I never saw any dogs being trained at either place. We now have our Rott puppy in training and he will be back on October 5th. He will have had 30 days of training (private).
It would seem by your own admission that sending a dog out for training doesn't work but, now, this "new" place is going to.

If you can't train your own dog why would anyone think that your advice on dog training, especially the hitting part, is credible?
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Old 09-21-2003, 10:42 AM
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Newspaper theory

I'm not going to trash you on this theory because it has been suggested for years. I myself have even used it minus the actual hitting part.... I used it in the past as a noise distraction. It only took common sense to realize my hand clap would have the same effect.....

I discourage this method for many reason.

1. Too tempting to owner in heat of the moment to actually swat.
2. Teaches dog to hate and chew up paper.....:D
3. Reactive dogs may actually see it as a play invite. I feel the same with squirt the pup with bottle of water method.
4. It teaches fear not respect.
5. It makes you as owner feel macho and powerful.....
6. It teaches dogs to fear objects in your hand.....:(

We have come a long way in the world with better positive training and it is working. Wish more people would catch up to this.

Pups teeth and pups mouth. Redirect the pup with a chew toy and some positive play. It's that easy......;)
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Old 09-21-2003, 10:43 AM
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This age when people find the pups most troublesome, is also the age at which you should be imprinting and teaching as things that taught at this age will become hardwired into their little brains.

This is a time when the pup is most interested in you. Take advantage of it. I am teaching puppy pushups, quick happy sits on lead, "light" to pressure, "find", sound location - the list is endless. At this age, I don't call it training, but rather teaching but the old axiom, "train don't complain" still applies. This is a high learning period as well as a learning how to play time. Teach something new, then play fetch. Practice something the dog knows so the dog develops pride in accomplishment. You are accomplishing double. Teaching a new skill, teaching a fetch, teaching a release and establishing a partnership.
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Old 09-21-2003, 01:07 PM
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Re: Re: no hitting

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When my house needs painting, I call a painter, when something goes wrong with the plumbing I call a plumber, and when the dog needs training I have a pro teach him the basics.
If you reach a little farther back in your brain, you'll find that your house doesn't give a rats behind whether you have a relationship with it or not, for a very simple reason. It can't. It is inanimate, very unlike living things. It doesn't have the capacity to give a hoot about anything at all, let alone who fixes it.

A dog, on the other hand, is a living thing and can't help but build relationships. A dog is a companion animal with a great capacity and need for leadership. They will bond with and respond to those who give them that leadership, which isn't going to be you if you allow even the most basic elements of raising and training them to be accomplished by others. Perhaps this is why you feel a need to hit? Hitting a dog is nothing but a sign of disrespect for the mental capacity of a dog or, perhaps, a sign of your own lack of it. A sign that you prefer to leap frog over their needs rather than addressing them. If you think you can fool a dog in this way, it's time to think again. In the end, you will reap what you sow.

Rotterule,

Puppies are full of spunk. Like Judi said, now is the time to take advantage of your puppy's enthusiasm and show him positive ways to express it. He is bursting with life and you don't want to shut that down, you want to give him the redirection he needs to learn how to use it constructively. If you bring him along in this way, he will become a joy in your life beyond your wildest dreams. :)
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Old 09-22-2003, 12:08 PM
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Re: Re: Re: no hitting

[quote]Originally posted by moondog
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"If you reach a little farther back in your brain, you'll find that your house doesn't give a rats behind whether you have a relationship with it or not, for a very simple reason. "

And if you will reach back in yours you will remember that dogs are pack animals. There is always a pack leader and it will either be you or your dog. In a natural pack the leader disciplines the other dogs and not as nicely as a thump on the end of the nose with a small bit of newspaper.

"Hitting a dog is nothing but a sign of disrespect for the mental capacity of a dog or, perhaps, a sign of your own lack of it. A sign that you prefer to leap frog over their needs rather than addressing them."

Thumping the dog on the nose is no more a sign of disrespect than the dog biting me until my hand is bleeding. The dog has no inherent need to bite my hand until he draws blood. Discipline is a matter of rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior. Contrary to your opinions, a newspaper is every bit as effective as Analysis, Neuro Linguistic Programing, Hypnotism, or a lot of the other methods you seem to favor. It's also a lot quicker.

"They will bond with and respond to those who give them that leadership, which isn't going to be you if you allow even the most basic elements of raising and training them to be accomplished by others."

Perhaps, you can explain to me why the majority of those who are successful showing their dogs have them handled by professional handlers and don't handle the dogs themselves?

And while we're on the subject of traiining you could use a little hostility training yourself.
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