[Muckdogs]

PBM ->Well, certainly could be genetics since we have a common gene pool. Still a real pain though.

Here's a follow up to my previous ?? -> If you believe that it is a genetics question, can you train through it and eventualy get the calmness or is it a waste of time and should we just be working on a full bite and a reliable "out" and say screw the carry/circles and calming. After all, when in trial does the helper slip the sleeve? If the bite is full, albeit a little hectic (a little growly and sharky if the helper is weak and lets him cheat a tad) and the "out " is reliable, why worry about what happens when the slip comes? Maybe I have my associations backwards. I have always thought that the calmness would promote a fuller bite and a more reliable out. What if you (and we will shortly) already have a full grip and reliable out. Do you still need the calmness. Don't get me wrong, calmness is a thing of beauty, but if it ain't gonna happen due to genetics and we don't really need it, why try?

Am I spending an inordinate amount ot time and effort on something that doesn't really matter in actuality?

This paradox is starting to remind me of when I got uptight about some grumbling over the food bowl. He did it, still does it and probably will always do it. The boy just is driven for food. Yet, he will come off his bowl every time if I tell him to. So, why should I care, just for the sake of caring, if he grumbles a bit as long as I have the control,(caveat-> we don't have any kids and he eats totally by himself on the back porch so there is zero danger of strangers interfering). See the similarity. Maybe I'm just making it an issue of total control in both cases when it really doesn't have to be. Thoughts???