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Thanks for the info, Cally01 I'm so happy that Athena doing so at well nearly 9,
AngelBunny, I'd rather "listen" to your and others advice on here than my vet, as his rottie is very heavy! Lottie does have a waist but I agree she needs to go on a diet.
I'll post some pics on tues for her birthday.
Abbie