[BluHeronHorses]

Well hokisteph actually she is.

I can't say I'd ever rule out a shock collar, I mean my lab needs a prong collar when she gets wired. We tried 3 years without one. Similarly, I can't say I'd never use spurs on a horse or a chain on its nose, sometimes that happens. But I give them a whole lot of chances to get it right asking the nice way first.

My vet was really surprised (I nearly said shocked) to hear that someone would even propose such a thing.

The creepy thing is that, in my view at least, she's put the notion into their heads that the dog is difficult and willful, whatever that means. She's a kid - that's what they do right?

Thanks for the info - it's much appreciated