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Originally Posted by Calin  Actually, the entire use of prongs, chokes, and shock collars are now considered 'old school.' Much more old school, in fact, that a spray bottle full of water. Generally, you wouldn't use ANY aversive methods if you plan on going balls to the wall with the operant conditioning. |
You are talking extremes to defend your point. There is most certainly a place for prongs, chokes, and e-collars in modern day training. The difference is in the method in which they are used and more importantly, the point at which they are applied in training, not that they are used or not used.
Old school is putting a prong collar on a 4 month old puppy and intimidating it into compliance. A more modern use of this same tool would be a motivational pop on an adult dog during heeling exercises. The tool is identical, it's the ways and means that are as different as night and day.
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Originally Posted by Calin Hey, if you want to spend your time redirecting EVERYTHING for months on end because that's how you've always done it and it works for you, go ahead. |
Not sure if you are directing this at me, but if so, just another example of you using unrealistic extremes to try and defend your position. I think to truly do a thorough job of training, there most certainly are elements of compliance that are mandatory and a place for corrections. The difference between you and me is not in whether we believe corrections are "ever" needed, but WHEN we use them.
When you are talking puppies, which I am in this discussion of spray bottles to stop puppy biting, it most certainly does NOT takes months on end of redirecting "EVERYTHING".......just a
consistency in understanding, attentiveness, and patience. I guess if you lack that or decide it's not worth the effort, then of course you would disagree and sacrifice some things to gain another. No skin off my nose.