[laurlitt]

If starting from scratch, from a sit... it helps to get the 'kick back' as you call it by slightly pushing into the dogs nose/mouth with the treat when you 'lure' them into the stand. Your hand w/ the treat blocks the dog from moving forward while you may guide the dog into the stand with your opposite hand... I use that opposite hand on the back leg to block the forward movement as well. Lots of repetition of this will train the dog to 'kick back' into the stand instead of walking into the stand.