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Old 02-03-2008, 12:57 AM
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Re: Alert - California - Mandatory Spay/Neuter

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Originally Posted by Rene Allegrini View Post
Get over it already!
Get over what? Your original post doesn't say anything about you posting for someone else and I'd think the very least you could do is understand what it is you're posting about well enough to answer simple questions about it....especially in light of the stated urgency.

Instead, all you can do is try to paint me with your "supports early spay/neuter" brush because I have the gall to question it? Such ignorance is unbecoming.
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What if a person has a rare breed? A breed that isn't AKC registered?
This argument has merit.....what has been the response from the city council regarding these - does anyone know?
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I seriously doubt that AC is going to try to figure out what registries are real and which ones are not so real (ie the difference between CKC and the CKC).
It sounds to me like an approved registry is something that will be decided beforehand and not applied arbitrarily. Is there a registry for rare breeds that is authentic?
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You have read the studies that show that spaying and neutering at such a young age is not always in the best interest of the dog's long term health. If you read the bill closely you will see that what the vet has to decide is if the dog can survive the actual procedure, ie being put under and cut into. Not that they will have a higher rate of contracting a cancer some years down the road. If your dog doesn't have SAS, vWD or other serious conditions will not qualify for that exemption.
I read it differently, but assuming your interpretation is correct and dogs that are not too young, too old, or too sick to qualify for this exemption can still be exempted....all they have to do is have or be actively training and working towards titles, or be a service dog, or a police or military dog. Any dog with the basics in obedience should be able to obtain a Novice Rally title.

That in itself can do nothing but good for dogs of all breeds, and for those who are too lazy to get off their butts and train their dogs we at least will have confidence that they won't be procreating.
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This bill removes some very basic freedoms that as Americans, I would hope that we all hold dear. Being able to own the breed of dog that best suits us and be able to determine their destiny without interferance from the uneducated government officials.
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This is a serious intrusion into my right to privacy. My right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. My right to be safe in my person and papers. This is against my right of due process and certainly against being treated equal. This bill will make some dogs more equal then others.
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It is none of the government's business to know what kind of dogs I have and what their reproductive status is. Should I breed my bitch, Iwould be required to inform the government who my customers are and where they live. I am not selling WMD, I am selling dogs.
These last three quotes are what seems to me to be at the crux of the opposition to this ordinance.......and I have no doubt that every puppy mill, BYB, and animal abuser out there would heartily agree with you. I bet they go to sleep at night reciting precisely this to themselves about us trying to encourage them not to breed beyond their ability to nurture, not to breed their "nice" dog, and not to kick, hit, or chain their dog to a tree.

Last edited by moondog; 02-03-2008 at 01:10 AM.
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