[Geri]

I also agree the atmosphere has changed. People are very negative and almost violent around the rottie ring these days. I have much more fun doing agility and obediance with my dogs now. I go to seiger shows all the time as they are highly enjoyable and you can be friendly with everyone. In AKC there isnt really friendlyness at all. Its just so tense and political. Ill stick with sport and Seiger any day!!! I am thinking of showing my dogs UKC - I heard those shows are enjoyable and they adopted the stadnard for the tail. I own both tailed and docked rotties, and I am no means against docking - but I enjoy being places where I am not penalized for buying/breeding a dog with a tail.