fronterotts
You said a person could never respond as fast a clicker? Well whos clicken the clicker? a person right?.
So then couldnt he just mark the "Time" With a simple word? Command? or sound? Shoot it could even be a hand signal or body movement.
I have no real problem with clicker training other then alot of people view it as something new and improved or even special. Wich it is not. The same concepts that aply to clicker training aplly to all dog training, whether useing positive or negative reinforcment.
Timeing
Anticipation
Consistancy
Are very big fundimantals of dog training. What i call TAC.
These fundimentals Must and need to be tuaght to all owners. If as a instructor I can do this effectivly the dog will learn.
The other main problem with most or maybe even all (not sure) clicker enthusiasts is that they are under this false impression that compulsion (negative rienforcement) Is not necisary in training a dog at Any Point.
And thats just not true.
Can dogs be taught to behave and respond to commands under ALL AND ANY destrcation, without the use of compulsion? Sure SOME CAN.
But not all. Actually most cant.
As a teacher we need to be able to use various style of training to be able to train and teach every owner the skills necisary to bring thier dog to a high lvl of obedience.
Wich leads me to another point. I have seen quite a few dogs that have been trained using NO COMPULSIOn methods and to be honest I was NEVER impressed with the results.
yeah they Knew the command. Did they respond well. Sure during training. But as soon as there owner would leave the training field. All controle was lost.
And each and every owner i talked to was completly lost and confused with no idea what to do about it.
Now one more point. We know that good behavoirs get rewarded with positive reinforcement to ge tthe dog to learn I.E praise or a treat. So now the dog has learned that if he sits he will get rewarded.
but what if the dog doesnt want to sit?. What if the stimulus is so strong the dog could care less for the treat? What does he learn?
Just like they learn the consiquences for a good action, they have to learn the consiquences for a bad action.
Soem will argue that if you condition the dog properly they will never do a bad action. Well i am under the firm beliefe that conditioning will only go so far in certain aspects of dog training.
things that will effect conditioned responces
1. Instincts.
2. drives.
3 and the all mighty freedom to decide.
Cnditioning a dog to a certain behavoir that will overide one of those things. especialy the first 2. Is nerly impossible. especially for the novice i just bought a dog and hes nuts can you help owner.
So when a dogs prey drive kicks in when he sees the cat run out across the road and he gives chase, The owner can click her butt off all day long and its not going to come back.
when the dog gets a wiff of fee fee down the road in heat, and the owner says stay and hopes her tid bit is going to be anough to reinforce fidoes desire to stay and not go running off to reproduce, i bet on the dog running for fee fee.
i could come up with many more senerios where training a dog with only indicive training methods is going to fail.
Well thats my two cents anyway.
Oh and by the way for those who know me or remember me I am BACK
