With harley it was just a fluke. I was refererred to her by another breeder, so I called. Harley's breeder was still unsure at that point if she wanted a female or male. with 3 weeks talking to her staraight, and her doing the reference checks. she decided that she wanted the female. Lucky for me , I wanted a male. I was willing to wait, it just happened this way, and it was perfect timing, I was still on Mat leave. She is really happy with the way Harley and I have turned out together. She was glad to see she made the right choice.....But once again this was a total fluke :)