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Originally Posted by blackandtan
helping the dog along (during training) so that he can do it on his own with a motionless decoy on trial day. I guess thats the info I am after and what techniques are techniques that can will not get the dog reliant on them during trial day.

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the helper in the blind on training should always be motionionles any buildup or whip cracking should be only done outide the blind if your dog is low or not intense enough on drive to get him flying in the blind[/size]


Now if Froli was barking for a piece of cheese, I am guessing that that was food or prey drive. Unless it was a real threatening piece of cheese. Maybe Limburger? If she is now barking at the helper regardless of the sleeve, thats a whole different kind of drive. That transition didn't happen overnight, nor did it happen with the helper/handler/trainers doing "nothing" (during training) like they do in a trial. All that stuff in between is the stuff I am looking for ;)

to have a dog that looks in the eyes of the helper and not the sleeves takes a dog that has been worked properly through all the drives prey/defense/fight the dog must play the game correctly before the blind work begins and if they are worked in an unbalanced fashion (one drive more than others) there mind is not clear enough to follow through, in your 1st post you said the dog was trained in defense well there ya go he runs into the blind because for him its simply obediance the he is not intense because your helpers have been pumping them up in the blinds and he waits for that to get defensive,, where as if the training was done correctly he should be flying to the blind because of intense prey drive,, comes in helper motionless he should switch to fight drive by barking he is trying to initiate the fight once he does this correctly the helper rewards the dog by a challenge then moving out giving the dog a bite

I think one of the decoys we worked with did too much of the whipping, agitating stuff that during training made the dog do this and look incredible during training, but may have caused some problems for the actual trial.

here is the importance of haveing experianced decoys did they not know that in a trail that the helpers would not be pumping them up in the blind and did they not think that if during training that if they disd pump them in the blind did they actuaklly think the dog wouldnt wait for that on trial day??



Who knows, our dog is not even 3 year old yet and it could be that he is too young, or it could be that we should have introduce a different training technique along side that one. Or maybe we shouldnt make such a big deal about this.

this training should have started from the second you got your pup the play and the fighting only gets going from day one if he initiates it by barking.. back up your training and instill this

I don't expect to learn it all in a a few posts on this board, but I thought it would be interesting to get some insights and/or varied opinions. If anything, just to learn about drives in specific aspects of the SchH routines.

here is an important aspect i may be wrong but im assuming from several of your posts and watching the vids that you train mainly for the task at hand and are not training the whole dog for example even though they took the attack out of the blind away in trials do you still keep the attack out of the blind incorporated in your training???? we do even though the dog doesnt do that in trial it gives the dog something to want while in the blind then when he initiates the fight and doesnt get what he wants in the trial with no escape(which put a lot of defense in the dog) it pumps him further... i would go back and this dog gets nothing no play no bites unless he initiates the fight, back tie him have the helper stand like statues when he barks play then up the ante all the way up till the type of barking you want initiates movemant and keep training the escape and drive out of the blind because why should the dog do the intwense bark and hold if he is only going to be put back in ob and healed away give him the reward of the fight and on trial day when that doesnt come ,,he will follow his ob when you walk him out of the blind

think of the conflict your helper is putting these dogs in

I think one of the decoys we worked with did too much of the whipping, agitating stuff that during training made the dog do this and look incredible during training, but may have caused some problems for the actual trial.

your dog if training was done correctly knows that he shouldnt bite the helper in the blind but yet your helper is puting defense on the dog by moving and whipping but yet you are expecting the dog not to bite when once the helper move he really should be able to bite...