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Old 07-31-2004, 02:38 AM
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Re: On leash / Off leash attention issue

!!! WOW !!!
I leave a question , go to work , and come home to find all these wonderful training tips & techniques .
THANKYOU all for the excellent advice .
I'm very excited to start working through this issue .

BostonRott wrote
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Which did you train first, on or off leash? How have you trained it? How did you transition between the two?
....on leash 1st . Clicker training so click & treat for correct position . Though looking back I can see I've not be as strict about position as I really should have . I know I've enabled this incorrect behaviour so appreciate everyones advise on reshaping his behaviour . The off leash is 1st in class , leash on , then dragging leash , then on a tab . Goal is not to grab leash but be more 'exciting' & 'rewarding' to your dog than other class people and dogs . This is especially hard with Mr Hyperweiler who thinks the whole world was created for him to play with Though with lots of running around (on my part) , toys and treats he's gotten to the point that he'll keep walking with me and even looking at me dispite dogs playing in front of him or even jumping on him . We've been working out of class , in house , then yard , then empty park , then park with people/dogs in the distance . Slowly working up to greater distactions .

TrishB wrote
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Chances are that when you have him on leash, instead of demanding eye contact, talking, shifting your body language - you're depending too much on the leash. Not paying attention, you check the leash. You've developed your leash into your crutch. Therefore, when he's not paying attention to you on leash, he knows you don't mean it unless he's getting a correction with the leash. I know it makes sense to us that he's getting the correction because he's not paying attention. But to him - he thinks it's because you weren't serious the other times and THIS time you mean it.
..... Yes , you're right . I've created this issue by my inconsistancy . I'm going to shape up and in turn so will Henry

Judi W wrote
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This is not an uncommon problem with smart dogs. They don't watch you when they are on-lead because they don't have to!The leash telegraphs your every movement, even if you have it loose. Just the swing of the leather and clip give messages.
Makes perfect sense . They are such smart dogs . Love the cord tip . Are you using a cotton cord ?

Storm wrote
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Go back to spending a few sessions just with the dog driving you backwards etc.


Could you elaborate on this ? I've not heard of a reference to this before

Storm wrote
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I have found that especially with rotties that the ability to really drive and focus comes very "late".


Thanks for the insight . I'm looking forward to "late"

Thankyou all again .
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