[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by lblax

and just sit and listen even in a bad one like in this post where the methods are borderline barbaric you can still learn things. like you learned how not to use a ecollar... but seriously things could still be learned like timing. timing is important even with his barbaric methods so you throw out the barbaric methods and absorb what you learned about proper timing and apply that to sound and fair use of the ecollar

Except for the fact you are giving the guy your money and that helps keep him in business to abuse more dogs.