[Mick Trainer]

Vicki,

I cannot belive what I am hearing (I do believe it but am staggered by it). That in the current environment of knowledge and understanding of canine behavior that we still have trainers placing dogs into complete avoidance and shutting down and further that people see this is a positive result. Simply staggering.

It is staggering however how many trainers do not believe in learned helplessness norunderstand it.

Storm,

I agree it is amag how many people allow their dog to be worked by someone with knowing anything about what they are going to do.