[Mick Trainer]

I do not know Fred nor what he is about etc but one thing is for sure if this is infact true (I have no reason to say it isn't) then he is no dog trainer. Simple. E-collars aside he cannot train dogs if he thinks these are correct training tool. If you hit the dog with compulsion and the dog shows avoidance and offers behavior that is not correct to what it should have shown (even worse when it shows total confusion) then the training is incorrect. He can talk the differecen between conditioning and training all he likes but learning is learning and this shows little of either. This rubbish annoys me as people use this too say "look at that. This is why e-coolars should be banned". When clearly even with no compulsive equipment this guy has no clue. I have saved 6 dogs that were headed for deaths door so far this year who owe their lives to e-collars this calender year. This is not training and is not e-collar training. I don't know what it is. "Not big on Theory". RRREEAAAAALLLYYY.

Mick.