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I once entertained the idea of attending one of Fred's seminars and quickly ran from him when I did some research. The lady who gave the seminar I went to used to give seminars with Fred and stopped. Her seminar that I attended would have fulfilled all of your expectations. The only part of her theory that I did not agree with was she also uses the collar to teach a cammand. Fortunately, I wasn't there for that reason. I was there to learn how to use the collar to correct a behavior and it has worked great without frying Sajan or making him cry out.

Sorry you had such a bad experience. Hopefully you were able to learn something useful.