[lblax]

well i am sorry you have had a bad ecollar experiance they are a good tool but let no one fool you you absolutly can not teach with an ecollar once the dog has learned the task you can use the ecollar as a correction or as a tool to refine by the dog getting faster to avoid the stimulas.. and any dog that cries out simply is not a mamma's boy the e collar was simply set to high. you only want the dog to notice the stimulas the reaction looked for may be the dog looking or coming to its owner or a slight head shake but never a yelp and every dog requires a differant setting