I think there's a time and a place for e collars. I completely agree with Iblax and Storm, a good foundation should be built upon before using the ecollar. That being said, I also believe there's definitely a right and wrong way to use them.
Question for those "in the know"... should you even use an e collar on a dog, if he's in the vicinity of another dog... could this not trigger dog on dog aggression?
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Well, Jean, in my opinion, if you won't stick up for your dog, you don't deserve to have him. I'd say you delayed a bit but at least you got there.
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I concur with Judi, I've made the mistake myself of not grabbing my dog when "someone knowledgable" put him in a position he did not deserve to be in.. I'm lucky my dog still talks to me.. Very lucky. I really beat myself up over that one. It won't happen again. ;)
Training should be tailored to suit the individual dog. Sounds like #1 has met some pretty grumpy rotties in his career. Poop on that. Every dog is different, and, IMHO, training should be tailored to getting the best results, while building the confidence, managability and control of the dog.
My 2 cents.