[rottnelmo]

If you are having an issue with ring around the collar...there are two things that I would suggest. I dont like that worn off no hair around the collar or the bunched hair around the collar look. So, instead of using a flat collar I use a rolled leather collar. This works super nice. It leaves his hair nice and flat!

A choke chain isn't going to do the trick either, unless you have gotten the fur saver choke chain. Instead of round close links, they are wide flat links.

The toggle choke also works really really well.

But I agree with Lisa Cass that choke collars should be worn only with supervision, as with any correction collar. Especially if you put her in a crate, take the collar off...there is too much of a risk of it getting caught.

Hope that helps...just my 2 cents!

Beth